MAKING DERBYSHIRE SAFER METAL DETECTING ASSOCIATION WORKING GROUPS FEASIBILITY REPORT ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SETTING UP ,RUNNING AND OUTCOMES OF A SCHOOLS METAL DETECTING SCHEME

As promised I have just recieved the report of the working group ,set up to examine this proposal.For security and data protection reasons I could not scan the report and post it on here .Names  and information which could be used to identify people and locations have been removed.But apart from that the report is complete and  word perfect.

Introduction

john  (Assocition spokesperson ) asked us each individually would we mind getting involved in a working group .Each person on the group was selected due to their experience in working in professions which are relevant to the subject.

We all agreed and  over the course of the Spring ,Summer we met up in selected local inns  throughout Derbshire to discuss and debate the proposal.Many thanks to the landlords of the (censored ) for allowing us to us their wifi and the use of tables .Sorry we did more talking than drinking !

john had asked us to discuss a proposal which was part of the Association ideas and suggestion scheme,which was approved by the members .Due to the seriousness and complexity it was decided to establish a working group to examine the proposal in detail.

BACKGROUND

Many traditional outdoor hobbies are suffering in Derbyshire ,if you go about especially in recent years ,it is quite noticable the reductions in numbers of participants in what were considered traditionally strong hobbies in the county.The numbers  of people taking part in Fishing,Bowling,Train&Bus Spotting, Pigeon Racing,Orienteering ,Amateur Archaeology and Historical societies are reducing and quite a number of clubs in these various hobbies have ceased to exist.Also the age profile of the people taking part in these activities is increasing with very few young people taking their place.Alternatively the growth and rise in numbers of participants in cycling ,walking,geocaching ,RC model aeroplane flying ,dowsing and wild food harvesting has increased and in some hobbies has done so spectacularly.Metal Detecting in Derbyshire has thankfully held its own and is  slowly increasing in participants  but this cannot be garaunteed going forward into the future.

EXAMINATION OF THE PROPOSAL

Setting up and running

Yes it was felt by us all in this group that it was possible to set up a school scheme.The working group felt that it was not simply a case of buying a few detectors and giving them to the schools .To do this would be irresponsible ,expose children to risk and leave the association and schools open to the possibility of future historical litigation .We all felt that a proper scheme would need to be set up to run and safely maintain the scheme . However it would involve significant costs and personnel to set up and run the scheme.A full/part time  manager would have to be employed to run and operate the scheme,liasing  with the various schools ,to ensure that safe procedures were being followed ,and to produce and create written and audiovisual material complimentary for the scheme.A permanent management committee would have to be set up to over see the manager .Numerous HR  Safegaurding and Safety policies would have to be established ,and this in itself is very expensive and time consuming.

The group also felt that the scheme would have to be set up as a stand alone scheme, where the material and equipment would be supplied and the programme would be run by the teachers .Many associations find it increasingly difficult to get volunteers and even volunteers from within their own organisation to run programmes as many people are risk averse .The working group did speak to several schools and they were quite receptive ,so long as the materials were checked  didn’t require PAT procedure and were approved by them.

( Spokespersons note )

PAT is a legal requirement where equipment has to be annually checked for safety and safe  running.It is quite a significant cost to schools.It mostly applies to mains powered equipment .As our detectors are very safe and battery powered PAT would not be required

On the matter of insurance most schools contacted said they participants would be covered by the schools own insurance policy.

It was noted that it would cost a significant amount of money to put one good metal detector in each school in Derbyshire

Beneficiaries of the scheme

Yes it was agreed by all that if such a scheme was set up and run correctly then the numbers taking part in the hobby would take a huge jump forward.It would not happen straight away but it would certainly be noticable after 10 years but it could create what one working group member described as a TIME TEAM EFFECT.

The best way to describe  the Time Time Effect is to explain what happened when this great and lovely programme was first aired on Television.It was a quality programme  which came out at the right time before people were all consumed by their phones and social media ,which captured the public imagination in archaeology.The problem was that the producers didn’t foresee what would happen when there was no society /club infrastructure to positively harness this enthusiasm.Most post millennial metal detectorists were inspired to go into metal detecting as a result of this programme ,but if they had the opportunity and the infrastructure was there . perhaps most might have gone into amateur archaeology instead !

The working group feels that this situation could happen again with our Schools Detecting Scheme and that Centurion clubs, rally organisers ,Pop up clubs ,Mega-Rallies and detector dealers who don’t support the hobby positively  would benefit

(Spokespersons note.   centurion club is a term used amongst ourselves to quickly identify metal detecting clubs and associations which have over 80 members )

The environment would significantly improve in areas where metal detecting is allowed for wildlife and people as so much heavy metals ,rubbish ,drug equipment would be removed

However the working group also felt that organisations and other groups which  hold views contrary to our Association could benefit more than us.

Decision of the working group.

It is the working groups honest  and collective  professional opinion that for cost and outcome reasons that the association should not pursue the idea any further regarding the setting up of a schools metal detecting scheme for Derbyshire.Our small association has not got the money / volunteer commitment to set up and run such a scheme.It was felt that national metal detecting organisations would be better placed to start and run such a scheme as they have the resources we don’t have.

Recommendation of the working group

The group feels that a better and a more positive controlled outcome would be to encourage members to get their own grandchildren ,children involved and that when membership vacancies become available priority should be given to these young people to try and become members

 

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NOVEMBER NOTES

Just on here to make a few announcements for the benefit of association members that I might not see before Christmastide.

our lovely Linda in Derby has asked for all copies of our free to read metal detecting magazines  that are in circulation to be returned before the first of  December .Linda needs these back as  she passes them all on to deserving detectorists who don’t have access to these magazines .Hopefully all magazines will be passed back in near pristine condition so that the free magazine scheme continues to be self financing.

Christmastide is coming and we are giving people a chance to prepare their donations of old coins and keys and monies to the various charities that we endorse.Please remember that not all charities and religious organisations  are supportive to metal detecting as many genuine detecting requests have been refused .Were very keen to ensure that only charities and religious organisations which are supportive to our lovely hobby,recieve our donations.

The report of the working group on starting a  schools metal detecting scheme in Derbyshire should be with me soon.The final wording is being prepared or so i  am informed.

Thankfully  at long last members are submitting their choices of Metal Detector which merit the associations serious consideration as a possible free to use metal detector for all members.Models suggested are the following

Detech Chaser

Whites MXT

XP Deus “full version”

Minelab Safari

Fisher F75 “ltd edition”

Whites VX3

Garrett AT Pro

Minelab Etrac

Garrett GTI 2500 “and accessories”

Laser Hawkeye

Technetics T2 “limited edition version”

Minelab Equinox

Whites Spectra V3I

please note this is not a conclusive list as some members have yet  to make their suggestions.For those that do please take care not to use online videos to base your suggestions as so many video posters have been “nobbled ” by vested interests.Thanks to all those people who so far have submitted their suggestions.

I should be on here before the end of the month to post the report of the working group.Till then take care and good hunting

john Potts

association spokesperson

 

 

 

AUTUMN ROUNDUP

The summer and autumn of 2017 has been a very good one for the association and its members.We have all been busy in work but it’s still good to meet up and keep in touch with each other.A very big thank you to all members,independent detectorists and to the other clubs who observed and respected our annual solemn commeration.It was a great comfort to the families and friends of the victims that they have not been forgotten

Just to do a bit of housekeeping now Members have been asking how is free association machine fund going.Well there has been a bit of a decline in donations ,I don’t know why,is it due to brexit people tightening their belts ?.The current status of the fund is £595.95 p.Its ever so slowly creeping in the right direction.On a related topic members need to decide when is the cut off date for new applicants.In my opinion it should be fair so that it gives applicants two chances of becoming members.We also have to remover that we have two people going through the probationary process at the moment.So feedback would be welcome on this one !

I know the working group have been informally meeting to discuss the possibility of starting a Schools metal Detecting scheme for Derbyshire.I have been lead to believe that they will be ready to give their feasibility report by Christmastide.It will be published on the Association website.

Members also are reminded that they need to do their homework on the various detector models in order to help us select the most appropriate metal detector for the association, when we eventually have enough raised to buy one !.Again please don’t use YouTube reviews as nearly all video posters have been nobbled by vested interests

corrsepondance has been quite light ,I will be contacting members in the Derby/Matlock area over some detecting corrsepondance  recieved.

Work is slowly ongoing on the ideas selected competition….it’s going to take more than a year to complete these I’m afraid.

Members and viewers may observe a few disclaimer notices around the site regarding ,endorsements and sponsorship.It has come to our attention that individuals and metal detecting  groups are recieving substantial amounts of money through product,organisation endorsements, sponsorships and travel remittances ,from metal detecting companies and organisations.At the moment we don’t have a restriction on members in this area but i personally would like to introduce this into our membership rules for 2018.All feedback and opinions welcome on this one.

finally I wish to thank our very generous landowner for the use of the clubland this summer.It came in really handy as crops were in a month early.Were hopefully going to expand our free clubland further in the coming months.Fingers crossed on that one.

john Potts

spokesperson

2017 ANNUAL SOLEMN COMMERATION WEEKEND IN DERBYSHIRE

This is the time of year when us as individuals and as an Association pause to remember the victims and their families of the Tunisia Terrorist attacks.We politely ask other  Associations /clubs and individual detectorists to join us in our solemn  commeration  when we respectfully take time out from detecting to think and remember these lovely people.We all decided that this was the nicest way for us to remember them.

This year we politely ask all detectorists  as a mark of respect to the victims and their families to abstain from detecting in Derbyshire from and on the the 23 June -25th  June  2017

last years weekend was observed brilliantly and we didn’t recieve one report of any club or individual detectorist being active that weekend,from the public.

we also wish to take this time to extend our sympathy to the families and friends of the victims ,and the injured of the Manchester and London Terrorist attacks.

Individually and as a Metal Detection Association we also wish to offer our sincere condolonces to the Family and friends of  Archaeologist Hannah Bladon from Derbyshire who was also a victim of the recent terrorist attack in Israel.We also extend our sympathy to her archaeological colleagues  in Birmingham and Derbyshire.

We have done our best to advertise our solemn commeration weekend in the newspapers and online .Sadly we have encountered some negitive online comments and we have had to take down these online notices because it would be very upsetting  for the families and survivors of these attacks if they saw some of the responses  left.I can’t really make any more comments about this as this matter and the individuals involved are being traced and being  investigated by the authorities.

Hoping that all Detectorists/Metal Detecting  Associations and Clubs  in Derbyshire will join with us in observing our solemn  annual  rememberance for the victims ,injured and their families and friends.

sincerely John Potts

Association Spokesperson

SUMMER IN SPRINGTIME

After a bit of gentle badgering after a meet up on our clubland I have finally gotten around to announcing our ideas survey results,and to do a bit of housekeeping whilst I’m at it.

its been like summer in spring and the crops are in at least a month early in some places,so it will get busier on our free to use clubland from now on.Remember our landowner will be watching and please observe all our rules.I look forward to meeting up with most of you there during the actual summer.

we recieved £25 towards our free machine fund .Thank you to all concerned.Total is now slowly creeping up and is at £529.75. Well done to all.Lets hope brexit does not affect donations too much

we have had some interesting correspondence over the last few months.We have been contacted by Mr Anthony Poulton Smith a respected English Countryside Author .We have also been asked to take part in a land survey in Tibshelf in order to try and find England’s first underground oil pipeline.Ive just checked our current machine register and Sadly we couldn’t help the landowner as quite simply our metal detectors are just not powerful enough to go that deep.We also have been contacted by Derbyshire County Council. All correspondance has been passed on to  association members confidentially.

Our ideas survey results are in and selected by raffle, and done one the first day of Spring,All those members who voted for idea  number 8 had their next choice selected instead.As Linda has already agreed to keep our free metal detecting magazine scheme going for another year .In no particular order the ideas and objectives chosen for the coming year were as follows.

Idea no5……. which is the local government idea

idea no2 ………Schools metal detecting scheme for Derbyshire

idea no 6….. licencising &ambulence cover for paid metal detecting rallies consisting of over 3 people in Derbyshire.

some great ideas there which in my opinion make take a lot longer than a year to complete.

work has already started on idea no 6 and correspondence has started which will hopefully lead to a meeting with Derbyshire County Council Officials/Councillors

It is my opinion that a working group needs to be established to pursue idea number 2, as it needs to be established in a very careful and safe manner for everyone concerned.

looking forward to hear all your ideas and feedback.

sincerely John

THE YEAR PAST/THE YEAR FORWARD

Oh dear I’m so sorry about being so late with this year end review.It was only when I was printing and laminating the membership cards for 2017 that I realised I hadn’t done a end of year review.So please accept my Apologies it’s all because I was so busy in work.I did tell you all that I would be be on here as much as Jack.

anyway. All the cards are ready to be collected and looking back wasn’t 2106 a great year for our association.It was a brilliant year for detecting….its been a while since we have had to shelter from the sun!

Our free to use clubland has been a blessing in that we have somewhere to go when the crops are in and it’s also great from a social point of view as we get to meet up with people who we wouldn’t normally meet ,because they are at tother end of the county or what not.Thanks to all the members for keeping the landowner happy by filling in all the small holes and obeying the rules of the clubland.Agin huge thanks to the landowner.

we would also like to thank the other organisations who safely dispose of all the hazardous materials we find whilst detecting ,for us.

Big thanks to Linda for  organising the free metal detecting magazine scheme ,and good news she is going to keep it going for another year….yippee !!.Great on our pockets post brexit and great for  the environment too.

Another highlight and a frequent topic of conversation whilst sheltering from the sun last year was The Queen and we were one of the few Metal Detecting Clubs to publicly send her Birthday Wishes.We look forward to possibly accommodating some of her extended family on a metal detecting day out  perhaps sometime in the future.

we raised £161.50 last year towards our free to use association metal detector fund.Thanks to all members who passed on donations and thanks to all contributors.We are slowly heading in the right direction.

Talking about fundraising ,thanks to all metal detectorists who have passed on their donations to charitable organisations  following our advice.We ensure that  we only recommend organisations that are friendly and supportive to metal detecting.Were continuously updating our information and we welcome input from non association detectorists .

last year wasn’t all about highlights there were some sad things that happened too.NCMD members of the association lost Mr Trevor Austin.We again were one of the few metal detecting clubs in the Midlands to publicly extend sympathy and  condolonces.We also lost members ourselves but sadly we couldn’t publicly announce this on the website because of the continuing troll attacks on the website and Assocition members.Thankfully due to WordPress we can monitor and trace known trollers  and monitor their browsing activities ,but we can’t prevent attacks ,but we can limit the personalisation of attacks by being very sensitive over disclosing information which could be negitively used on members  / bereaved members or their families.

were also very concerned individually and collectively by the actions of  some local government authorities  ,regarding the possible damage and destruction of known and unknown archaeological sites ,due to pressure  from property developers.Were also very concerned about more restrictions on users of local authority  recreational areas.If less people are using these areas then it’s easier for local government to class the areas as under used  ,and have them zoned for development.

The increase  in size and occurrence of large ,unregulated, and unsafe Metal Detecting ” Rallies ” also has caused many  members hearts to sadden in the association.Untill such time as regulation  and limits  are introduced we sincerely pray that all those people who do attend ,roadside passers by  are kept safe by Divine Intervention.

were all very sad at the moment for the surviving families of the Tunisia Terrorist attacks ,and we remember them at this difficult time at the legal hearings.It was great that last year we didn’t recieve one complaint about non observance of our memorial weekend ,from the public.A big thank you to all the independent detectorists and other Metal detecting  clubs who are based in Derbyshire or who use the Area but are based outside.

This years solemn commeration weekend will occur on the 23/24/25 June 2017 when we remember the victims and their families by refraining from our lovely hobby in Derbyshire .We politely ask independent detectorists , other clubs and associations based in Derbyshire ,and others outside the county  thinking about detecting in Derbyshire then to join with us in our solemn commeration by abstaining from metal detecting.

 

Finally just to remind every member that they need to be sending their results back  soon for two surveys which the association is conducting.The first is the members ideas survey.The second is the selection of metal detector models for the association to research in depth.We ask all members to be realistic ,and not to use online videos to base their results as so many online video bloggers have been ” Nobbled ” by vested interests.

I don’t expect to be on here much this year as work is exceedingly busy.If something very important occurs then I will put it on the website.Our next post will hopefully be in the spring.

hope to see most of you out and  about

John

association spokesperson

 

SUMMER IDEAS

Sorry for my work forced delay in publishing our association members suggestions ,of ideas for the association to follow.

in no particular order here they are.

1, one member wants us to encorouge more people to make donations of land to us  through bequests ,wills etc.

2, other hobbies such as ,bowling,archaeological clubs,pigeon racing,fishing are in steep decline as hobbies.To improve the demographics and to get more young people involved in metal detecting, that the Association with the help of the schools should start a carefully selected  “Making Derbyshire Safer Schools Metal Detecting Scheme “For Derbyshire.

3 a member wants us to contact “celebrities ” involved in our hobby in order to try and improve their portrayal of metal detecting

4 would it be possible for the association to assist the probationary service by offering metal detecting as a rehabilitation service with the assistance of the association.

5 that the association be more assertive  in roles with local government in guiding the future of our hobby in Derbyshire in a positive direction,in line with our ethos.

6two members who chat to other non association detectorists  in Derbyshire are hearing other detectorist concerns over  green waste,safety issues  etc at  pay-for rallies.They would like the association to ask local government  and HMRC to introduce compulsory licencing requirements and ambulence cover for metal detecting rallies greater than three persons In Derbyshire.

7 that the association take steps to attract more ladies to our lovely hobby and club

8 that the association ask Linda to continue our free association magazine for another year.

so some very interesting ideas there …..which will create a lot of discussion.

members should decide carefully on what they think we can achieve as an association when they make their choice.

results to be announce in the spring

thank you to all contributors.

sincerely John

association spokesperson